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“if there is no real deeper sense of purpose to it, other than making a couple of people rich, (then there is no point to it) - why it matters and why it interests me is that it is going to increase access to justice"

Takeaways from Ed Andrew talking with Richard Tromans.

'Richard Tromans is the founder of Tromans Consulting, which advises lawyers on strategy and innovation, including the adoption of legal AI and other ’New Wave’ technology. He has spent over 18 years working in the legal sector focused on the UK and global legal markets. 


Richard also is the founder of the global legal AI and new technology site, Artificial Lawyer, which was recently recognised as one of the top 50 information sites in the world on Artificial Intelligence.’ Richard talks to Ed Andrew about all things lawtech related, what Ai really means and the 8 different branches, how wider technology is often confused with natural language programming and machine learning, how law schools need to innovate to teach the modern day skills surrounding technology that lawyers will face during their careers, law firm incubators and the problems that technology and data processing is solving.   

  • How to select your Ai provider, don’t buy an AI system until you work out whether you really need Ai. (3.00)

  • On document review systems using natural language processing - Kira, Luminance, iManageRAVN, Seal and LawGeex (5.10)


  • Expert systems - part of Ai family, arguable the first branch of rules bases systems - modelling human behaviour - Neota Logic, Rainbird, Berkeley Bridge in Netherlands (5.55)


  • Access to legal services, Robot Lawyer Lisa, Contract Express and Do Not Pay - all tremendously useful platforms and tech, thought not necessarily using Ai  (9.10)


  • How technology and Ai will increase access to legal services and access to justice (10.35) 


  • Discussing the global industrialisation of legal services


  • 70% of SME's in the UK never access a lawyer even if they have a legal issue (11.20)


  • What problems are your business trying to solve and how Ai may or may not help you, law schools and educating people about what Ai and technology means - (14.25)


  • Should lawyers learn to code and what does it mean, legal design process, Law Without Walls, Legal Design Summit in Finland (Antti for podcast) (18.15)


  • Data gathering and machine learning tools come into their own now with exploring data, Ai tools can be trained up and devour data with much higher accuracy’s levels than humans (22.15)


  • How do consultancies remain relevant in the changing nature of industry (25.10)


  • The world of law firm incubators such as Mischcon de Reya and Fuse by Allen & Overy, what is the key purpose for them and what is the shared benefit (28 and 32.30)


  • The best questions a leader can ask "what is out there, what does it do and how is it relevant to my law firm or business" (30.20)


  • The man v machine debate with Case Crunch - (35.20)


  • Should lawyers code and what does it mean (38)


Suggested books - 


  • Iron Steam and Money by Roger Osborne (the making of the Industrial revolution)

  • Authorised biography of Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

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